tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22165230.post116249266087741142..comments2023-12-16T16:50:25.810-08:00Comments on The Heart of the Matter: Conservatives and IraqBarry Eislerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785333622697500192noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22165230.post-1162583244962720982006-11-03T11:47:00.000-08:002006-11-03T11:47:00.000-08:00JD: "here are many things I find strange in this ...JD: "here are many things I find strange in this debate: <BR/>"(1) The captain and crew that have steered the ship onto the rocks turning to the people complaining and saying "well, do you have a plan to get us off?""<BR/><BR/>I agree that the captain and crew don't have the moral authority implicit in this question, but somebody has to ask it. Especially if he's saying he ought to be the new captain.<BR/><BR/>"(2) The fact that so many people on the Internets, who are, we can assume literate in the use of said internets, including the Google, complaining that "they haven't heard [insert Democrat here]'s plan or position on Iraq" when said plan or position is on their WEBSITE, for God's sake."<BR/><BR/>First, what are ya trying to get me to do with those Internets and The Google references, cause me a hemorrhage-inducing laughter attack?!<BR/><BR/>Second, some of the said plans are plans in name only. Part of what's made Dem/Rep debate on Iraq so desultory is that the differing "policies" are, in practice, nearly the same. Understandable, perhaps, because with the exception of courageous early adopters like Murtha, no one wants to be the politician who says to America, "it's over, we lost, the whole thing was a galactic waste that can never be recovered or justified." A necessary and honest diagnosis, true, but not a welcome one at the polls (although I think that's changing, thank God).<BR/><BR/>Mark, I largely agree with your description of partition problems. But the country is disintegrating anyway. In the face of a storm like this, I think we need windmills, not windbreaks.<BR/><BR/>Db, I'm with you on the camphor.Barry Eislerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17785333622697500192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22165230.post-1162574603841228492006-11-03T09:23:00.000-08:002006-11-03T09:23:00.000-08:00be, I had given up on this midterm. In Maryland,...be, I had given up on this midterm. In Maryland, the world is upside down, with a Republican acting moderate and Democrats looking like sleazy big business. My wife is the political junkie. I just hope things improve. However, I do not have the faith or hope that was with me even 4 years ago. I was active in the 60's and voted in the , 70's and I really miss seeing that aura of hope in young peoples eyes. Sorry for the ramble, but I will vote this year but I'm putting camphor under my nose to mask the stench.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22165230.post-1162565978670061912006-11-03T06:59:00.000-08:002006-11-03T06:59:00.000-08:001. Partitioning Iraq has two major problems. They ...1. Partitioning Iraq has two major problems. They are:<BR/> 1. The Iraqi people supposedly don't want it, and probably even more problematic,<BR/> 2. The oil in Iraq isn't spread equally throughout the country. Any three-way partition is going to have to create an equal oil split in some fashion or the partition will never work.<BR/><BR/>2. American and/or Western presence is part of the destabilization factor. Bringing on more U.S./British troops probably will not quell insurrection, at least Islamic insurrection. The U.S. (and I don't believe for one second we'll see this happen) needs to reach out to countries with largely Muslim military to take over peacekeeping in Iraq. That would be Pakistan and Indonesia and other Middle Eastern and Asian countries. This is a swamp the U.S. created and it's unlikely Muslim-oriented companies would want to take it over unless they're given incentives (like oil) that the U.S. is very unlikely to accede. [Also, much of this requires that President Bush and VP Cheney use one of the following phrases:<BR/> 1. We made a mistake.<BR/> 2. We were wrong.<BR/> 3. We screwed up.<BR/> 4. We take responsibility for the mess we made and now we're going to come up with something intelligent and creative to fix it.]<BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/>Mark Terry<BR/>www.markterrybooks.comMark Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09410424046477699059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22165230.post-1162514131609662772006-11-02T16:35:00.000-08:002006-11-02T16:35:00.000-08:00There are many things I find strange in this debat...There are many things I find strange in this debate: <BR/>(1) The captain and crew that have steered the ship onto the rocks turning to the people complaining and saying "well, do you have a plan to get us off?"<BR/>(2) The fact that so many people on the Internets, who are, we can assume literate in the use of said internets, including the Google, complaining that "they haven't heard [insert Democrat here]'s plan or position on Iraq" when said plan or position is on their WEBSITE, for God's sake. <BR/> I'll agree that Clinton and Kerry, however, have been fairly useless on the issue.JD Rhoadeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07123361739160525998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22165230.post-1162509800729672472006-11-02T15:23:00.000-08:002006-11-02T15:23:00.000-08:00Joshua, I didn't mean to imply that all Dems are c...Joshua, I didn't mean to imply that all Dems are chickenshit. Murtha is certainly courageous; Biden has been, too. Hilary Clinton, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid have suggested nothing concrete, though, and I think we can call them the party's leaders and its presidential frontrunners. I haven't heard Obama on Iraq, either. If the party leadership agrees with Murtha's or Biden's proposal, they need to get behind it, without equivocation, if they have the courage of their convictions.<BR/><BR/>But if I've missed something here, please let me know. I don't want to disdain the Dems (or anyone else) without reason...Barry Eislerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17785333622697500192noreply@blogger.com