tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22165230.post7487008406408374888..comments2023-12-16T16:50:25.810-08:00Comments on The Heart of the Matter: The Torture Mentality, Part 4Barry Eislerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785333622697500192noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22165230.post-34064720881499924202009-06-04T15:28:09.146-07:002009-06-04T15:28:09.146-07:00One of Digby's colleagues did a Torture Apolog...One of Digby's colleagues did a Torture Apology Chart. If you haven't seen it, you might find it interesting. The associated post, to which I'll link, is fairly long, but the chart is embedded and there are links which expand it.<br /><br /><a href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/torture-apologia-chart-by-batocchio-it.html" rel="nofollow">The Torture Apologia Chart</a>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637644376752164192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22165230.post-71854411259081568272009-06-02T09:06:12.056-07:002009-06-02T09:06:12.056-07:00Good morning Mr. Barry
I have to say wonde...Good morning Mr. Barry<br /><br /> I have to say wonderful article sir, especially liked the parts f the video when the guy after 6-7 seconds immediately agreed that it was torture... <br /><br /> Like you said many things have been present from a long time & funnilly enough if you look at all the wrong things done by major empires, torture was one of them. I would really like to congratulate you for posting this wonderful response.<br /><br /> MihirThe Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01060590167867977158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22165230.post-24061731427689678712009-06-02T01:07:10.123-07:002009-06-02T01:07:10.123-07:00Barry,
There's een a bit of coverage an Australia...Barry,<br /><br />There's een a bit of coverage an Australian Radio as well. Phillip Adams talks to Darius Rejali about Torture and Democracy<br /><br /><A HREF="http://www.abc.net.au/rn/latenightlive/stories/2009/2586072.htm" REL="nofollow">Link</A>Sean Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14485575602984697926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22165230.post-86604188701493609322009-05-31T07:11:40.100-07:002009-05-31T07:11:40.100-07:00Paul, was too my books! Though maybe your socks w...Paul, was too my books! Though maybe your socks were involved, too.<br /><br />Thanks, Jim, spread away...<br /><br />Wizzy, the cookies anecdote supports my sense that torture isn't only about getting information, whether true or false. It's at least equally about reasserting dominance and vanquishing feelings of powerless. Pretty much anytime we resort to punishment, the punishment is not only a means, but an end in itself.<br /><br />Bystander, thanks for the link. Clarke's article was spot-on, and so (as always) was Digby's analysis.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />BarryBarry Eislerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17785333622697500192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22165230.post-66437266274828087812009-05-31T06:39:23.602-07:002009-05-31T06:39:23.602-07:00Correction:
That should have been Richard Clark, ...Correction:<br /><br />That should have been Richard Clark, <B>not</B> Wes Clark.<br /><br />Apologies for the error in attribution. Like Jeffrey Rosen, I should consider more carefully before I hit <I>send</I>.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637644376752164192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22165230.post-24194457538349405472009-05-31T05:59:45.471-07:002009-05-31T05:59:45.471-07:00Well said. I suppose the apologists will keep rep...Well said. I suppose the apologists will keep repeating the apologies they have because that's all they have to defend against <A HREF="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/29/AR2009052901560_pf.html" REL="nofollow">this from Wes Clark</A>, <A HREF="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/panic-artists-by-digby-i-have-been.html" REL="nofollow">via</A>.<br /><br /><B><I>Call it the White House 9/11 trauma defense.</I></B>I think Wes Clark is being generous. I'd have called it the White House <I>Oh, s^!%, we ignored the warning</I> Panic Attack.<br /><br />And, Clark, to my thinking, cuts right to the quick of everything that followed.<br /><br /><I><B>I believe this zeal stemmed in part from concerns about the 2004 presidential election. Many in the White House feared that their inaction prior to the attacks would be publicly detailed before the next vote -- which is why they resisted the 9/11 commission -- and that a second attack would eliminate any chance of a second Bush term. So they decided to leave no doubt that they had done everything imaginable.</B></I>They traded the American soul for their reelection.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637644376752164192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22165230.post-75662073564237685982009-05-31T02:08:38.014-07:002009-05-31T02:08:38.014-07:00I've said it before and I'll say it again:
JESSE ...I've said it before and I'll say it again:<br /><br />JESSE VENTURA FOR PRESIDENT!David Farnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08078423192737507641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22165230.post-32685473606400344612009-05-30T06:42:26.333-07:002009-05-30T06:42:26.333-07:00As usual Barry, you are one of the lights that shi...As usual Barry, you are one of the lights that shines on a very dark time in America and exposes such unbelieveable and un-american excuses for an administration trying to justify themselves.prisghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08088954852440652015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22165230.post-83191944081254546742009-05-29T19:14:24.807-07:002009-05-29T19:14:24.807-07:00Barry,
I wonder if Dick Cheney would admit that C...Barry,<br /><br />I wonder if Dick Cheney would admit that COOKIES were a better "enhanced interrogation technigue" than water boarding? REAL story here: <br /><br />http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090529/us_time/09171190149100;_ylt=AtfQ1jBX8fdZ3sk6DwVVX5wGw_IE;_ylu=X3oDMTJzazlkZm5rBGFzc2V0Ay90aW1lLzIwMDkwNTI5L3VzX3RpbWUvMDkxNzExOTAxNDkxMDAEY3BvcwM0BHBvcwM0BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDaG93ZG95b3VtYWtlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22165230.post-56373752912260733162009-05-29T11:39:25.734-07:002009-05-29T11:39:25.734-07:00Great post, Barry. I especially like this bit:
Th...Great post, Barry. I especially like this bit:<br /><I>They can be talked into blowing themselves up, but not into giving up information? </I>That deserves to be spread far and wide.Jim Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10368552140222190408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22165230.post-50729325531621319512009-05-29T09:19:05.815-07:002009-05-29T09:19:05.815-07:00Barry,
You've got some excellent passages in here...Barry,<br /><br />You've got some excellent passages in here. My favorites are these:<br /><br /><I>Imagine you're a cop. You come across a dead body with a bullet hole in the forehead, and there's a guy standing over the corpse holding a smoking gun. You want to arrest the guy with the gun, and your partner says, "Hang on a minute there, pard. Can you honestly say that killing is never, ever justified?" This is exactly what torture apologists are doing in the face of actual laws and actual facts demonstrating that those laws were violated.</I><I>I think I saw this one as a deep thought on Talking Points Memo: If torture so great, why have all the countries that used it -- Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union -- been defeated by the US?</I><I>"How can it be torture when we do it to our own people in military training?"... I don't know. How can it be rape when married couples do the same thing all the time at home? How can it be slavery when people do the same thing for wages?</I>That said, it was NOT your books that kept us safe. It so happens that I changed brands of socks on September 12, 2001, and I am confident that THAT is the reason we have been free of further attacks. (Except of course for the still-unsolved anthrax attacks, but apparently, those don't count.)<br /><br />Cheers,<br />Paul<br /><A HREF="http://sensen-no-sen.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">Sensen No Sen</A>PBIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05643553811799195520noreply@blogger.com