Barry Eisler

Tuesday, March 01, 2016

A Martian Tries to Understand Why Our Violence is Good

Yesterday, I gave a talk to the San Francisco chapter of the Former Intelligence Officers Association. In front of about a hundred former CIA, FBI, and NSA operatives, including former head of the CIA and NSA Michael Hayden, I talked about bulk surveillance, whistleblowing, and why intelligence professionals need to take especially great care not to let propaganda pervert their intelligence. I think the crowd was initially skeptical, but warmed as I went along. In the end, quite a few people came up afterward to thank me for my candor. The whole thing was fun and a little surreal, and if I got a few people to look at these issues in a somewhat different light, I’m glad. You can read the basis for my remarks at Freedom of the Press Foundation and Boing Boing.

Unfortunately, the format was such that no real debate with Hayden was possible. Which was frustrating, because, for example, at one point during his Q&A, Hayden opined that Iran is the world’s greatest purveyor of terrorism. If I could have responded, I would have wondered aloud, as I like to do from time to time, how I’d explain an assertion like that to a Martian:

Martian: We on Mars are confused by your General Hayden’s comment. He is speaking of Iran, is that correct? A country with the GDP of Finland?

Me: Uh, yes.

Martian: But didn’t your Martin Luther King say almost sixty years ago that the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today is America?

Me: He did say that, yes. In 1967, during the Vietnam war.

Martian: And hasn’t America had innumerable additional wars since then?

Me: It has, yes.

Martian: But then America’s wars must not be terrorism.

Me: Right.

Martian: That is fortunate, for our understanding on Mars is that America spends more on its military than the next eight nations on earth combined—five of which are American allies.

Me: Yes, we do have a large military.

Martian: Do you not maintain over 800 military bases—more than any other nation in your planet’s history?

Me: Yes, that’s true.

Martian: Watching from Mars, we have always associated overseas military bases with what you on earth call “empire.”

Me: Americans don’t want an empire.

Martian: Why then do you maintain so many overseas military bases, as empires do?

Me: We just want to keep the peace.

Martian: By making war?

Me: It’s...complicated. But really, America is a peace-loving culture.

Martian: But you have more wars than anyone. On Mars, this does not seem peaceful.

Me: Okay, but it’s not terrorism. Terrorism is when, you know, you terrorize people.

Martian: But did you not, alone among the peoples of your planet, use atomic weapons against your fellow humans, when you bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Me: Only to end the war.

Martian: Did you not kill at least 600,000 civilians in your war in Vietnam?

Me: We did.

Martian: Did you not kill at least 100,000 civilians in your latest war in Iraq, and turn four million people in that war into refugees?

Me: We did.

Martian: And did not your former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright declare that a half million Iraqi children starved to death because of American sanctions was “worth it”?

Me: She did say that, though she took it back afterward.

Martian: And is it not the case that—

Me: Okay, look, I get it. America does more wars and violence than anyone else. But it’s not about terrorizing people, okay?

Martian: But are not the people you kill terrorized? And what about the parents of dead children, the children of dead parents, and the burned, blinded, brain-damaged, crippled, maimed, and mutilated by your weapons? Our understanding of humans is that you are terrorized by such things.

Me: I guess so. But it’s not like we’re trying to terrorize.

Martian: But did you not call your own tactics in your second war in Iraq “Shock and Awe”?

Me: Well, yeah. We were trying to, you know, shock and awe them.

Martian: Perhaps the problem is our imperfect renderings of Earth languages. In Martian, we cannot distinguish between terrorizing with bombs, and shocking and awing with them.

Me: Look, I see where you’re trying to go with this, okay? But we’re not like ISIS and other terrorist groups. I mean, you know what ISIS does? ISIS burns people alive. That’s terrorism.

Martian: But in your war in Vietnam, did you not use an incendiary weapon called Napalm, a kind of jelly gasoline that sticks to human bodies and causes horrific burning?

Me: I guess, but that was a long time ago.

Martian: But do you not currently deploy what your refer to as thermobaric weapons?

Me: I don’t know that word.

Martian: It is derived from two Greek words meaning “heat” and “pressure.” In English, it refers to a type of explosive that produces an exceptionally hot and powerful blast. The lucky victims are obliterated. The less lucky suffer terrible agonies before they die.

Me: Well, I’m sure that isn’t our intent.

Martian: But you have named one such weapon the “Hellfire” missile. Does this not mean you are well aware that the missile burns your fellow humans with fire? Was it not in fact designed to do so?

Me: I guess it just comes down to that terrorists want to kill innocent people. But America doesn’t. When we kill innocent people, we call it “collateral damage.” Do you know that phrase?

Martian: We do, but our translators have struggled with it. For a long time, we failed to understand why a people who are ordinarily so plain-spoken would devise such a vague phrase. Then we realized, you Americans find such a phrase preferable to something like, “the burning to death of innocent human beings, the blowing into tiny scraps of meat and bone ordinary people just trying to live their lives, the ripping asunder of the limbs of children, the blinding and mutilation of baby humans—”

Me: Right, I get it. But, yes, it’s not like we want those things to happen. When we do them, they’re tragic accidents. That’s the difference.

Martian: This is interesting. You mean terrorists want to kill innocents, while you Americans are mere willing to kill innocents.

Me: Something like that, I think. Yes.

Martian: Perhaps we Martians are simply dense. It seems that terrorists have goals for which they will kill. Is that not also true for your country?

Me: Yes, but again, the terrorists want to kill innocent people.

Martian: It is difficult for we Martians to understand the difference. Presumably these people you call terrorists simply want to achieve certain geopolitical goals that they believe require killing innocent people. Presumably if they believed they had another way to achieve these goals, they would not feel the need to kill innocent people.

Me: I don’t understand.

Martian: I mean, perhaps terrorists are killing people pragmatically. In other words, for terrorists, killing people is a means, not an end.

Me: So what?

Martian: I am trying how to understand how it is different for you, given that you are the “good guys,” to use your Earth phrase. Do you not also, in all your wars, kill people as a means?

Me: But we don’t want to.

Martian: In such circumstances, it is sometimes difficult for we Martians to distinguish between the concept of “want” and the concept of “willing.” For in the service of the geopolitical goals you seek to achieve through the means of violence, is it not an empirical and historical fact that inevitably you will kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people, inflict the most horrific injuries on hundreds of thousands more, and turn millions of people into stateless refugees, with all the terrorizing that such events necessarily entail?

Me: I guess.

Martian: But this is not terrorism.

Me: No. Not when we do it.

Martian: I confess I am more perplexed now than when we started. I do not understand how the nation that commits the most violence and causes the most terror can claim other nations are the most terroristic. We Martians will have to study this question more closely.

Well, maybe they’ll invite General Hayden and me back. But we’d probably need a Martian to translate.

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Blogger nereus said...

I'm hoping that courage is contagious. But I am not confident.

Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:57:00 PM  
Blogger Nathaniel Hoffelder said...

"Yesterday, I gave a talk to the San Francisco chapter of the Former Intelligence Officers Association"

It's a pity that they couldn't work their acronym into saying FOIA.

Tuesday, March 01, 2016 7:47:00 PM  
Blogger Rob Pugh said...

I'd love to have you debate Sam Harris on his podcast. He's all about "intent" being the critical difference between terrorism and US foreign policy. I think your "want/willing" argument puts that in stark relief.

Wednesday, March 02, 2016 3:50:00 AM  
Blogger Don Bay said...

I'm with the Martians. America's propaganda is second to none. The military killing machine goes on with its counterproductive campaign of killing anybody who has the audacity of believing that America's system is not the best in the world.

Thanks for saying what had to be said…even though the American military and government (though I may be redundant here) will believe what they want to believe.

Wednesday, March 02, 2016 7:08:00 AM  
Blogger Dana S. said...

In the pursuit of oil and monetary gain, with devastating military might to enforce her wishes, America continues to bully other societies. I believe that the old saying, "absolute power corrupts absolutely", is most appropriate for the US stance on the world stage.

Wednesday, March 02, 2016 2:07:00 PM  
Blogger TimBo said...

I have a complaint about your blog formatting. Sometimes I like to link to your essays, most probably in Facebook. Every other BlogSpot blog I visit will open an individual essay in a separate page by clicking on the essay title. See 4 Quarters, 10 Dimes and click on the title of the first essay. Your essay titles don't do this for some reason and so I can't just copy the link to your article and post it elsewhere.

Fine, at the bottom of each essay you have Bookmark and Share. It's an image and if you mouse over it it will turn red and be underlined, just like a hyperlink. If you click on it, it will DO NOTHING! ARRRRGGGGHH!!!!

Then there's the LINKS TO THIS at the bottom of the essay. It almost does what I want in that it brings me to a page with only the essay of interest on it, but it scrolls to the bottom of the page. This would be nice if I wanted my friends to read the comments but I generally want them to read your essay.

Non-intuitively the time at the bottom of the post is a link that does exactly what I want. Of course I tend to forget this and have to discover it again every time.

I really like your stuff. Please make it easier to share with my friends. I'm sure other people have these same frustrations.

Thursday, March 03, 2016 2:45:00 PM  
Blogger Barry Eisler said...

Thanks for the thoughts everyone. Limbo, I hate blogger, and if you (or anyone else) has an idea about how to solve the problem you've identified, I'd be grateful! I'd certainly like to make it easier for people to be able to share my posts.

Thursday, March 03, 2016 3:50:00 PM  
Blogger Bryan Ware said...

Just finished listening to your Coast interview with Noory. Phenomenal! Informative! But I have noticed a sly trend with Noory, when a guest,telling the hard truths, gets part way through their responses. ...Noory cuts them off and rushes to commercial break. So now you as well as Hulet and a FEW others are in The Cut-Off Club! LOL! You have to laugh about these things. Bottom of the hour...Really! Keep up the good work brother!

Thursday, March 17, 2016 9:40:00 AM  
Blogger Roja Rani said...

It was really nice and thanks for sharing.

Friday, March 25, 2016 5:57:00 AM  

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